Wednesday, November 16, 2011

In Simplest Terms

I have to say, I'm not quite sure how I can make this any clearer to some people.

The infamous PSP on the Creative Frontiers Facebook page:
Absolutely and me too! Sandi Adams is actually a co-owner of CFS. She was never implicated in ANY false allegations so wondering why the elementary and preschool was raided and immediately shut down due to unsubstantiated allegations against 1 person that ultimately showed they were false, leaving not only Mr. Bob but the co-owner of the school, Sandi, without any potential of income now and in the future? The police, city and DSS secured CFS Inc's. financial doom by doing this--they certainly have not done it to other schools like the above Woodbine so why CFS? It certainly wasn't because of the fire inspector's yearly report in which they passed in June 2011 and then they were mysteriously cited in July 2011. I personally think it was a trigger happy city police department and or a DA's office looking to make a name for themselves and protect themselves against impending furloughs or budget cuts--why else?

Okay lets try this again and I will put in in the simplest terms I can come up with.

Woodbine is a PUBLIC preschool. It is run by a state/federal taxpayer funded school district.

Creative Frontiers School is a PRIVATE for-profit school owned by Robert and Saundra Adams.

These are two completely different entities. Different rules and laws apply. It is not arbitrary. The rules are set forth by CA state law.

The entire staff of Woodbine could be brought up on charges and the school would still open the next day because it is run by a taxpayer supported school district. A new principal, teachers and staff would be brought in immediately. However, when the owner of a private school is charged with felony counts of child abuse, the school closes. Please reread that last sentence, until you can grasp that concept.

It is unfortunate for Sandi Adams that the school is closed.  I agree.  Where though, other than on the business license, is she listed as being owner of the school?  Certainly not on the Creative Frontiers School website.  Where has she asked to step up and run the school in her husband's absence?  It wasn't her role in the past and it doesn't appear to be the plan currently.

Going back to PSPs comment, where does it say the original allegations in the DSS report were false?  I can actually answer my own question....It doesn't say that anywhere.  Just because they were not included in the arrest warrant doesn't mean they were untrue.  They might be included later, they might not.  Doesn't mean it didn't happen.  

Yet again we are being directed back to "the fire inspector's yearly report in which they passed in June 2011". *sigh*  Please reference the City of Citrus Heights file on the business license here and our explanation here. 

I hardly think that the arrest of Robert Adams on 6 felony and 1 misdemeanor count of child molestation can be played down as a "trigger happy" Citrus Heights PD or a DA "looking to make name for themselves".  Why else PSP?  Really?  SEVEN different children that we know of claim to be molested by Mr. Adams and you think that the only reason the DA is prosecuting the case is to make a name for themselves?  That comment is just ludicrous.

Of course that isn't all, Christian Peet, in his infinite wisdom has to add to it;
The motivations remain fairly nebulous to me, but the screw-ups are plain as day. Most often these things are just the result of compounded mistakes, with no real malice except on the part of people like Irma, etc. Perhaps a deal will work out for all involved. Something like this: DA's office drops charges (now's a good time, given that the Sandusky case shows what a real case looks like). In return, the Adams and all the parents whose children were needlessly devastated by the handling of the school closing and the forced relocation don't sue city, county, and state officials. Bob takes a well-earned early retirement (unfortunately, he will never be work around strangers' kids again, thanks to this disaster). And the school opens under another Adams family member. Done. Blue skies. Birds chirping. Kids back in the playground, happy, just as it was for 35 years prior . . .
‎*Sorry* for the flourish at the end. I'm just so sick of this needless misery. I like to think that somehow justice will prevail for a family that's given so much.
Wasn't Christian Peet the forerunner in the "it's all a conspiracy" campaign?  Wasn't he the one accusing District Attorney Scully of "trying to make a name"?  Suggesting that parents have possible lawsuits against the actions of the "city, county, and state officials" is beyond nonsense.  I find the comparison to the Sandusky case as a "real case" ironic given the fact that Sandusky claims that he never molested any of the 8 children he is charged with molesting...he was only "horsing around" and the hugging and touching wasn't intended to be sexual.  I'm pretty sure many of the same things have been said about Mr. Adams.
"I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids, I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them, and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact," he told Costas in an interview that aired Monday night. "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."
Tell me how Peet can be so certain that the charges against Sandusky are founded and the charges against Robert Adams are false and part of an elaborate conspiracy? Was Peet also in those Penn State showers as well as under Adams' desk? Is he privy to inside information no one else has? How exactly is Peet determining the truth here? How are any of the CFS supporters determining truth? Are you all refusing to consider the possibility that some or all of these charges are true because you would then have to admit that you made a grave error in choosing CFS and put your child at risk? Trust me, all parents of the former students are grappling with this concern right now. Most I have spoken to have been shocked by the information which has been revealed since the date of closure. All was not well at CFS--regardless of how much you wish it was.


PSP has to come back to add, 
Yes, I also believe justice will prevail and I too am sick of this needless misery. As pleasant as it is for me to hope and wish that birds could chirp again and there would be blue skies for the Adams's sake***, unfortunately Bob and Sandi were hurt intentionally by screw ups and compounded mistakes by supposed 'professionals' that have impacted them financially, emotionally and physically, now and in the future. Personally I don't think Bob and Sandi are financially able to just say que sera sera and take an early retirement and call it a day if the DA's office 'decides' it wants to drop the case with the contingency that no one can sue them. Even if the girls ran it, there is still the stigma Bob, Sandi and the Adams girls will have to live with forever, decreased enrollment because of that stigma and there needs to be compensation for this which I believe there will be. I would also think that many parents would sue the city and gvmt agencies for this too because CFS families were abruptly and unnecessarily dis-located and their children tramatized by the police raid. In America like anywhere else in the world, you pay for what you take. You can't just take something (i.e. Bob and the Adams finances, physical and emotional health and freedom) without paying for it, or steal it and try to give it back because now it's damaged and beyond repair. And that's all I have to say about that....! :)
So which is it PSP?  Did they screw up or are they intentionally trying to hurt the Adams family?  You can't intentionally screw up.  The only thing I can question about the actions of the Citrus Heights Police Department is the manner and timing in which the school was closed down, not the fact that it is closed.  Not the fact that they are investigating the allegations against Mr. Adams.  Quite simply the claims of lawsuits towards the DA and City for investigating these claims, is silly.  Sure they can try.  But sadly these threats are as empty as the threats to sue this blog. Gosh how I wish that was all PSP had to say about that...but no, she adds:
Ooops, I fibbed. I do have just one more thing to say. If the DA decided to drop the charges (obv due to negligence in performing due diligence) in exchange for the family and/or parents not suing gvmt entities, am I wrong thinking that would then be a form of extortion?
Yes PSP, you are wrong.  For many reasons, but I will just focus on your claims of extortion. 
ex·tor·tion 
n.
1. The act or an instance of extorting.
2. Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
3. An excessive or exorbitant charge.
4. Something extorted.
So ummm, no, *IF* the DA dropped charges with the contingency that they not be sued, it still wouldn't be extortion.   
Christian comes back to add,
Well said, Patricia. I was just being "nice," re the lost revenue, legal fees, defamation, etc.

Re "extortion," though, I think it's fairly common practice, though there is certainly a different name for it :-) It's not my ballpark, though. I'm quite sure Linda P. knows precisely how to handle that end, however, and will do a bang-up job. . . .
That comment would be laughable if the subject matter at hand wasn't so disturbing.  I just won't even go there.

Creative Frontiers was not treated like Woodbine because CFS is NOT Woodbine.  Public, district run school VS private, owner run school.  However, the mere fact that the school WAS closed was fully justified by the code violations and abuse allegations. State law was followed. Let me ask you, PSP, if your child was one who made a disclosure, would you want the police and state doing their job or would you want them to look the other way so a sweet little school could stay open and no one would have their lives upended? Just ignore the words of the children and the witnesses, brush them under the rug, and stay with the status quo? Well, would you? Folks at Penn State ignored the abuse and look what happened. More children were hurt. PSP, you really might want to stop and think. Each of the children who have disclosed have parents and families who care deeply for them. Each of those children are confused and hurting right now. How can you simply negate and ignore their pain? Shame on you.

6 comments:

  1. I have to admit I'm a parent that was completely blindsided on July 18th when I went to pick my child up. I didn't see any of this coming and I've been sitting back and watching things unfold. I'm extremely thankful for this site since this seems to be the only place that puts everything out there for all of us to see.

    My main problem with all their talk of "parents not suing the city"....ummm....why WOULD the parents sue the city, county, DSS or whoever? After reading all of the documentation regarding code violations the only thing the city was "guilty" of was giving Mr Adams/CFS NUMEROUS chances to make necessary repairs and get the school up to code. They tried to spare the kids any anguish for as long as they could. From what I can tell they put it off until they had no choice but to shut it down. That was not the fault of the city. That was the fault of Mr Adams for not doing the necessary upkeep on the school for MANY years.

    I agree completely with the questioning of Mr Peet and how he "knows" that the Sandusky case is a "real" case. I haven't been following it too closely but has Sandusky been arrested and charged yet? What makes it more real then the CHARGES against Mr Adams? Probably because Mr Peet wouldn't be able to get a book deal out of that case....so that means Sandusky is really guilty? I'm not saying either man is guilty or innocent, but I don't think Mr Peet is qualified to make that call either.

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  2. You are correct. The DSS and the CHPD were obligated to investigate the allegations. There is no basis for any lawsuit against either agency. City council members? Government officials? How could they possibly be held liable for parents having to relocate their children? Even if it is proven that the allegations were somehow made up and completely false, the various agencies they plan on suing couldn't be held liable. Even without the allegations that ultimately shut down the school, the fact that some employees did not have criminal record clearances and type a violation notices not being posted or signed by current parents could have been enough to temporarily suspend the preschool portion of the school. The City still had every right to suspend the business license due to the numerous notices and warnings they provided Mr. Adams. I fail to understand why some supporters are not getting this. Even without the allegations, without the 6 felony and 1 misdemeanor charges, there was plenty of justification for shutting down both the elementary and preschool portions of Creative Frontiers School.

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  3. I forgot to answer your question about Sandusky. Yes, it appears that Sandusky has been charged with 40 different counts some felony and some misdemeanor. He is currently out on bail. As many of the allegations of abuse are older, it appears that there is only testimony of alleged victims and witnesses, just like in Mr. Adams' case. You are correct, we don't know if either man was guilty or innocent, as we were not present, so I'm am unsure how Mr. Peet claims he is able to determine that one case is "real" and one is "false".

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  4. Peet - How dare you!!!!! Your sick of this "needless misery"? How do think the victims and their moms and dads feel right now about this misery? You don't give a flying fig about what they are going through. Your a pompous and heartless jerk!

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  5. Easy on the name calling. I realize his comments were horribly insensitive to any possible victims in this case or their families, but we need to try and keep name-calling out of it. I agree, how heartbreaking would it be to read that if you were a victim. You have to remember though, that Mr. Peet even attacks the victims and their families in other cases where the abuser was tried and convicted in a court of law.

    While there are plenty of colorful words that could describe Mr. Peet, lets try to keep them to ourselves.

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  6. The only person responsible for the "needless misery" is Robert Adams. I had a child at this school and I worked to help repair things that never should have been neglected for so long. I finally saw the light and hope others will too. I want my refund and I want to hear a PLEA -- which I don't think is going to happen in DECEMBER either. This is getting ridiculous!

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